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Upchuck (profile) wrote,
on 8-10-2003 at 8:50pm
"The argument stated about being "against nature" is quite frankly absurd. ALL studies on the topic have shown that nearly every species on earth has about a 10% homosexual population. " –PaulR295

Is this a random phenomena? I would have to be for this large a percentage to show up in all species on earth. A brief evolutionary and genetics lesson if you please: Homosexuality in the general animal population, if genetic, would quickly be extinguished. Homosexuality is a trait that runs contrary to natural reproduction. If animals were homosexual it would seem to indicate that they would only have sex with others of the same sex in their species. Therefore these "homosexual" animals would never reproduce. If they never reproduce, how can they pass on their homosexual genes? Now I do have to grant to you the idea of bisexuality inherent in animals. I’ve seen squirrels try to have sexual relations with a power transformer before, it does not mean that the squirrel is irreversibly attracted to a power transformer, it’s just that it feels good (or felt, considering the electrical shock quickly extinguished the squirrel’s life). However lending credence to bisexuality in this argument can have no other conclusion that homosexuality is not genetic.

"b/c people are finally being able to realize that gay people are a very real part of our society and it is our duty as Americans to accept it." –Tony

Marijuana smokers and drug addicts are also "very real" parts of our society. Is it our duty to accept their "lifestyle" too? I know that goes to a certain extreme, however, the American people don’t have a duty to do anything that they disagree with.

"Perhaps the best evidence to support the fact that being gay is genetic comes from BYU.BYU had a scandal were they took gay students and they forced them to buy homosexual things that aroused them like gay porn.And then they gave them electro-shock therapy,making them watch the porn and shocking them everytime they were aroused.the results...all of the students still came out gay." –future world dictator

Behavior modification therapy is not always 100% effective. Psychologists have repeatedly tried to influence peoples’ behavior in this manner, and they have found that the mind can endure excruciating punishment inflicted on the body without changing. For example, the POW’s from WWII, the Korean Conflict, and Vietnam, they were subjected to beatings and starvation, and while some of them caved into the pressure to renounce their actions, others did not, because they had set their minds to it. Gay teenagers are very persistent. I do however agree with you on your point about Republicans and their hypocrisy on states’ rights.

"This is how we are treating homosexuals. We are denying their rights and even forgetting they are human…..But to deny the average middle class human being their rights and respect is just wrong"

–Armedatwar

Please, somebody give me one instance where the law is denying homosexuals their rights to be homosexuals? I do agree that there is discrimination out there against homosexuals, however, as long as the law remains blind to this, there is nothing we can do legally to stop people’s discriminatory feelings. Plus homosexuals are not the average middle class human being. Homosexuals, on average, have higher incomes that most middle class people. They tend to live in large cities. If we want to talk average middle class citizens are predominantly white, married, with a minivan, children, and live in suburbia.

"It's great that you think that gays should have the same rights as straights in all cases because they are EQUAL under the Constitution; that is very true. But, why then are you against seeing homosexuality on TV? If the treatment for gays and straights should be the same , as you rightfully say, shouldn't both be allowed to be shown on TV? There are TONS of acts of heterosexual affection shown on TV every day. But homosexual affection shouldn't be allowed? Can you explain yourself here, cuz that doesn't make sense." –PaulR295

Now this is just straight our homosexual propaganda you are asking for. Why, if 10% of the population is homosexual, should 50% of the affection, or sex, on television be of homosexual nature? At this point you are revealing the true nature of the homosexual movement. That is, we have been oppressed, accept us, and because we think we have been oppressed we want 50% of everything. Why, only 10% of the population is homosexual? The Gay Rights movement is no longer about attaining equality it is about obtaining special rights. If I could give it a historical context it would be the Korean Conflict. MacArthur was told to just fight back until South Korea was reestablished, but he pushed, and was eventually defeated.

I know that some of you may be misinformed on the facts. Of course I also know that some of you downright, out and out, disagree with me. That’s fine. This is America and we both have that right. I have a right to object to homosexuality. And while it may seem that when conservatives talk about this issue in broad contexts, they seem like heartless bigots. To be honest, I have worked and went to school with quite a few homosexuals. I find them to be remarkable individuals to endure everything that they do. I feel it is my duty to my God, to love that person. My love for that person has nothing to do with their behavior, which I happen to object to. Thank You for taking the time to consider my statements.
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hopelessr

09-25-03 7:40pm

did you know that 11% of male sheep are gay?

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