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Upchuck (profile) wrote,
on 9-24-2002 at 3:43pm
Subject: On my two friends
I have heard it from many sides. "Don't you find it gross"
"Isn't it humiliating?" "It bothers me when I see them making out in the hallway."

Well to tell all of you the truth it has been disturbing for me. But that still does not hide the fact that I have responded in a totally irresponsible and selfish way. I have not taken the the time to consider the fact that what they are doing is totally and completely wrong. It goes against everything I believe in, it goes against nature itself. Their indulgence is a most supreme form of sin. I call on all of you now to relay these facts to them, that if they do not disavow their behavior that they will be forever damned. Not only by, what some of us to be a higher power, but also by life itself. Your following your sexual desires and your hearts, your hearts are turning black everyday you continue. Incapable of true love you will be, if you do not end soon. My ideas are as they are. Take what I say as you wish, but know it comes from my caring that no matter what happens cannot diminish for either of you.
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Anonymous

09-24-02 6:44pm

I have to say, love is a gift from God, in any form. You are being ignorate. God wouldn't give these people that gift if it was simply a sin. Maybe you should understand that a gay couple go through many hard things, and your intolerance is exactly why they do. Matthew Sheapard was cruisified for being gay. Because of the hate you are professing. And at the trials of his killers, people held up signs that said "God hates fags" I hope you know that is what you are doing to your two "friends."

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Upchuck

Re:, 09-25-02 11:16am

Maybe you should understand that it doesn't hurt to come out and talk openly. I know you are someone familiar with my situation. Nowhere in what i said did I mention homosexuality, how did you know? You must know me, or you must have familiarity with me. If you really knew me you would know I don't profess that kind of hate. In fact I profess nothing but love for them. I care for them both so deeply that my heart aches at the thought. I believe it is also more essential to be honest with myself about how I feel about the situation. We're not here to make other people comfortable. And as now, I don't know who you are, but I still ask how you could compare me to cold blooded murders. Does tolerance now mean that I have to accept their behavior with absolutely no inhibition? Does this mean I have to like what they're doing if I am to tolerate? I think it sets a dangerous precedent and the besides these higher socila issues, there are two people at the center of this. People who have very indiviual lives and individual reasons for what they are doing. I guess I am making their life harder, but no one has made mine any easier. No one has stepped aside to make things easier for me because I have my own unique characteristics. I expected my friends to challenge my thoughts about things, just as both of these two have well before this whole thing started. I don't expect my friends to sit idly by and not present me with new thoughts and ideas that may lead to insights into my own life. This is long, but I feel that it is definitely needed, and I also feel that you will have the courage to come into the light with what you say, because I cannot think of a person that I know that I could be upset with for challenging me to think.

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Anonymous

Re: Re:, 09-25-02 2:29pm

I think it was obvious what you were talking about. If you were a true friend, you would try to understand this and not make everything harder. I trusted and cared about you, and I think that you are showing hatred. You are sympathizing with those people who are "weired out" by them and condemming them by calling their lives sinful and evil. I'm sorry to say, but they are going through so much stuff because of who and what they are. You being someone the consider a good friend and still refusing to accept them and love them is something I did liken to those killers. True, the scale is smaller, but the intention is the same. God doe not hate fags, but you still seem to believe it.

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unbleachedblond

Re: Re: Re:, 09-26-02 9:19am

he is just expressing his opinion. u cant condemn that. these 2 are still his friends he's not saying that he hates them - just that he has a different opinion. thats all. at least thats my opinion of this.

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unbleachedblond

Re: Re: Re:, 09-26-02 9:19am

he is just expressing his opinion. u cant condemn that. these 2 are still his friends he's not saying that he hates them - just that he has a different opinion. thats all. at least thats my opinion of this.

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Upchuck

Re: Re: Re: Re:, 09-26-02 9:40pm

I don't know who oyu are but thank you. at least someone can see what I am saying and not presume it to be something else.

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Anonymous

Chicken Slut, 10-05-02 10:22pm

The real question is how come you dont have a high fiber intake you should go to the doctor and eat some straws.

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ThoughtspaceMine

12-24-02 6:36pm

When did sexual attraction become equated with love? I have a very good friend whom I love deeply - does that mean that we must be sexually involved? Ridiculous, these current ideas of so-called romance.

By the way, the nature of the situation to which you were referring was somewhat transparent, but consider this: You could as easily have been referring to a straight couple, had the reader not known that most people aren't bothered by straight couples making out in a hallway.

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Upchuck

Re:, 12-25-02 7:34pm

No, I know now who the anonymous person was.

In fact the situation was not as transparent as it might seem. Only those who know me and knew about the situation at hand would reply with such vehemence and assuredness as the anonymous person did.

Romance was not a problem either. From my perspective what I was seeing was complete, unfettered lust. And not the lust for one another even, it was lust for the attention that they would garner together.

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ThoughtspaceMine

Re: Re:, 12-27-02 12:36am

I wasn't referring to your situation in particular (I was not sufficiently informed about it to do so, to begin with) but rather bemoaning society's excuses regarding and general attitude toward the matter in general.
*sigh* How much more egregious, if their behavior did not even attempt to maintain a thin veneer of legitimacy! Also, the lust issue goes without saying in most cases, I'm afraid.

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