07-06-04 2:39pm

hey when can everyone get together and do softball stuff. im suffering from withdrawal. gah. like is anyone doing anything any time soon, cuz if not lets organize something. please.

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Re:, 07-06-04 2:39pm

that last comment was me, sorry forgot to log off justy

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Re: Re:, 07-07-04 12:52am

Liz,

I am so sorry. I forgot to get a hold of you. We are holding workouts from 10am-12pm on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. Up until tonight it was to get ready for the Northview league for non-high school players. Unfortunately we did not have enough girls turn out so we had to drop out of the league. Coach Wagner and I are still going to hold workouts for the next two weeks.

Please come and I'm sorry I forgot to tell you. I would really appreciate it if you could get ahonld of some other girls to come too. What I'd really like is to have enough Varsity, and other High school players there to work on their skills at the some time the other non-high school players are. We'd love to have you and bring others with you. Kim showed up last week. Kara showed up today. So hopefully we can get a bigger turnout.

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Re: Re:, 07-07-04 12:57am

Check it out.

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07-06-04 10:55pm

why would you want to ban same sex marraige? how on earth does it in any way hurt or effect you if two people in love get to have a real wedding ceromony?

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Re:, 07-07-04 1:14am

First of all I understand your concerns. What I say now, and what I've said before I know does not sit with you well. None of this is intended to try to convince you. Mostly because I know I never will.

Second, it's pre-emptive. Any "ban" in the legal sense is not a true ban. It's a pre-emptive step taken to outlaw something that is already illegal. In the state of Michigan it cannot be done.

Third, I am not opposing ceremony. They can have ceremonies all they want. It comes down to even more than the fact of same-sex marriage. It's not even that I fundamentally agree that homosexuality is completely wrong. Do I believe it's a choice someone makes? Yes I do. Do I believe that homosexuality is normal? No I don't. It's adverse behavior. It has it's own consequences. One has to understand that. It has consequences that make a person carefully consider that decision. Marriage does that too.

If it is a simple matter of how a couple appears in the eyes of the US gov't or other authorities, then why are civil unions a viable option? Mostly because it's a symbolic debate and these people want to be accepted by others. They want a title that tells them that they are no different than my parents. Well, they are different. They seek such acceptance because at some fundamental level they can't deal with the ramifications of the choice they made.

Off on a different tangent: Marriage now is cheap. It's been devalued so far. Marriage is the pillar of our society. This nation is built upon families. But this cheapens marriage even more.

So I know there may be inflamatory arguments in this comment. Even one's you vehmently disagree with. Or some that you would care to debate. But now, I have not the time nor the energy. Nor the will. Because like I said, I won't change your mind, and i won't let you change mine right now.

I do want to know, though, why someone who is so hellbent on shrugging off the cloak of "official approval" thinks this is a good idea.

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Re: Re:, 07-07-04 1:21am

love is love. it's cheapened by the idea that it has anything to do with gentials and sex. love transends that. and it always has and always will. fighting to deny someone the ablity to fully express their love because of something as small as gender is, in my opinion, silly and trite. but that is just because i know how that can work. a lot of people don't. and i suppose i can understand how it seems strange to them. sorry. i was just wondering.

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07-06-04 10:56pm

sorry if it sounds like i'm starting a fight, it's really just a question.

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Re:, 08-07-04 10:20am

it's definitely a tough topic. i have the same views that tend to upset people - that god created man and woman to be joined in one in marriage.

there was an article about homosexual pastors leading churches, and they were supporting their homosexuality with scripture. but instead of more supporting their sexuality, they were supporting how we shouldn't hate them.

well, DUH, we shouldn't hate them.

and this one person was a little bit twisting god's word to conform to her beliefs. but see it clearly, 1 corinthians 6:9, "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolators nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders... And this is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

i don't know. like you, jessa, i don't want to start a fight either. i'm just saying, i can't find myself to believe that you can be born homosexual.

my friend told me of this girl who used to be a homosexual, but when she was born again she realized that it was her choice to be homosexual.

i don't know. tough topic. no tension intended.

also, apologies if i seem like i'm just spitting out scripture. but if there's strong fact to base anything on, it's god's word, and god is quite important to me.

in christ,
au†umn

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