09-03-05 11:19pm

jesus linz. way to push things too far.

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Re:, 09-04-05 1:37am

No that is harsh!

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09-04-05 1:36am

You have the biggest ego ever.

Get over yourself.

I've at least tried to help fix this whole thing.
You haven't exactly been truthful with me. I tell you everything to your face. You don't tell me shit. The only thing you talk about is how terrible your life is. You leave me in the dark.

I've always been there for you.
You've told me some of your deepest secrets and I have never told a soul. Tell me how many of your so called "friends" can do so.

If it weren't for me you would have never seen Green Day. You probably whouldn't even know who the fuck they were.
You'd just be another poser.

The money I've spent carting your ass around.

Now all you care about is how much attention you can get. You strive for it. You just have to be the center of attention.
That whole bit about Andrew, just one of the examples.

I can't believe I considered you to be my best friend.
I even told you if I ever got married that you would be my maid of honor.

So fine you want it to be like this then so be it.

You owe me money for wifebeaters and a crop, I owe you money for a lunge line. Well need to get those debts paid off.
I want my O.C. season 1 back and any other of my DVD's you might have.

We'll have to further discuss the horse situation.

You're right your life is horrible. I hope it doesn't get better.


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continued..., 09-04-05 10:54am

Because in reality that is what you want.

You love the drama that is your life.

But fine, whatever. You can blame me for your "stress" because you always need someone to blame. Nothing is ever your fault.

I'm through with your immature hight school drama shit.

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Re:, 09-05-05 1:01am

You know I don't know you very well but I am really suprised that you would ever hope someones life would stay at an all time low. You know yeah maybe lindsey situation could be worst but I wouldn't wish what is happening to her on anyone. I know from experience that it is the worst feeling. You know a friend is someone that is always there no matter what, you didn't need to give lindsey all those rides and stuff but you did an there is nothing that you can do. I would have thought that with all the things that she probably did for you that you would over look some of the stuff that you just named off because I mean you did consider her your best friend, right? You know maybe the whole reason she wont talk to you is that she doesn't trust you cause I know if one of my friends said the things that you have said on here that I wouldn't trust that person either.

You said you hate High school drama and the thing that I think is so funny about that is you aren't being the bigger person. You are supposed to be the big, Mature one aren't you? An you aren't in high school so show lindsey how people out of high school deal with stuff when they have a problem.

You know I remember sitting a listening to lindsey talk about how great of a person you were. How she could count on you if she needed you. Told you her deepest secrets and how she loved being your best friend. An you guys are going to throw that away over an argument NOW THAT IS HIGH SCHOOL DRAMA!

I have heard that you are a great girl and I know lindsey is too, so why dont you guys show other people that you can get through this. ~Shannon Potter

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Re: Re:, 09-05-05 1:35pm

ok your right you don't know me very well. I am a very sarcastic person. That was me using it.


Some how I don't think youk now the same Linz that I do.



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Re: Re: Re:, 09-05-05 6:25pm

Well said Shannon.

I know Lindsey. I have been friends with her since my freshman year. I used to cheer her on in track, and she used to help me with my geometry. Just the other day i was wishing she was sitting next to me to help with my current math work!

Maybe i don’t know her as well as you ever did. But i don’t have to know a ton about her to know she’s a good person.

She will always be a good person, because that’s who she is.


I don’t think its right to wish someone’s life miserable, even in a fit of rage.
That right there tells me so much about the person YOU really are. Maybe Lindsey deserves a better friend then that.


Lindsey i hope you find whatever it is your looking for. I wish your life to be the best experience possible, and that you only gain happiness on the way.

Miss you....

:)


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Re: Re: Re: Re:, 09-05-05 11:23pm

Honestly when is the last time you talked to Lindsey? Because from what she tells me you guys haven't talked in along time.
As matter of fact I remeber her telling me, after you had moved, that you were trying to get on her friends list for MSN, that she didn't want to talk to you and was avoid adding you. Yeah, you guys, best buds (oh and that right there is sarcasm by the way).

Non of you guys get it.

Everyone is is missing the message.
I just want her to have things go her way.
Now from my observation in the last few months, that is what she likes and wants.
The fact that she has such a disfuntional life,"the "drama" that is her life." It gives her something to bitch about. It's what makes her the rebel she is and wants to be.
Belive me I'm the only one who has had to hear about it day in and day out. That is until she went public with it. Not that it was ever a burden to me.

I've always been there to listen to her problems. Now I try to tell her a problem (which I'm sure your haven't even thought of examing that part of our whole little dispute because you know there are two sides to every story) I have she get all defensive on me. Which I completly understand. I'm the same way.

And sitting here and reading about/ listening to her bitching about me is just absurd after all I've done so much for her, and this is how she repays me. Some of the shit I've pulled for her was even illegal.

I just wanted her to listen and seeing how she is impossible to get a hold of now a days I resorted to putting a message in my journal. The only sure way she would see it. I don't do generally do that. I hate make all of this public but that's Lindsey's style of doing things. Personally face to face confrontation is far more productive but I am only going to talk when she is ready. I sick of being the only person to iniciate conversation or get togethers.

Now I think YOU have no place in this argument. YOU don't really know what's going on. I dont' expect YOU to see eye to eye with me on this because lets face it YOU have never been very fond of me.

I know a lot more than you think I do.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:, 09-06-05 9:41pm

Now, I know this is behind the back and catty and all. But maybe I can possibly interject an objective opinion. Because, I’m familiar (to some degree) with the parties involved, but have been muscled far enough out of the picture to not have any emotional attachment. However, I’m also afraid to say anything at all just to have it twisted into something else. So, I’m going to use my own words sparingly. And hopefully I can avoid twisting the words of others. I will try and keep them in the spirit of their original context (grammatical errors have been modified, of course):

From Katie:
I've always been there for you. If it weren't for me you would have never seen Green Day. You'd just be another poser. The money I've spent carting your ass around. I can't believe I considered you to be my best friend. You have the biggest ego ever.
I am a very sarcastic person.
I know a lot more than you think I do.
After all I've done so much for her. Some of the shit I've pulled for her was even illegal.
I just wanted her to listen; I just want her to have things go her way.

To Katie:
That right there tells me so much about the person YOU really are. I know if one of my friends said the things that you have said on here that I wouldn't trust that person either. I remember sitting a listening to Lindsey talk about how great of a person you were. Maybe I don’t know her as well as you ever did. But I don’t have to know a ton about her to know she’s a good person. I am really surprised that you would ever hope someone’s life would stay at an all time low. I don’t think its right to wish someone’s life miserable, even in a fit of rage.

Christopher says:
You're right, your life is horrible. (Oh; that right there is sarcasm by the way).

You are a great girl and I know Lindsey is too, so why don’t you guys get through this?

Oh, and a few things that struck a more personal nerve that intrigued me…
“My life is actually better without you.” “You owe me money for wife-beaters and a crop; I owe you money for a lunge line. Well need to get those debts paid off.
I want my O.C. season 1 back and any other of my DVD's you might have.”

I’ve been hearing a lot of news about you of late, Katie, and none of it has been flattering. I don’t regret our relationship in the least, but I’m glad it was dissolved. It has definitely been for the better. However, I was really hoping that you would do some growing up after I left. I’ve always wanted the best for you… even still. And continually, I’ve failed to deliver. Now that I’ve allowed nature to take its course for several months, I see that I was not inhibiting your progress in the least, because so little progress has been made since my obstruction was cleared. I’m really disappointed in that.

I really hope that one day things will begin to make sense for you. But until then, I suspect you will continue to garner the same nominal amounts of pity that you have in the past, even from those closest to you. And I very seriously hope – potentially for your physical safety – that you learn to not take out your anger on innocent bystanders. Specifically, the ones I love very dearly. You have been given sufficient warning.

I realize that my opinion has long ago ceased to be objective. But, for everyone involved, I really wish for nothing but the best. And it’s more than just a simple fear of karmic retribution.


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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:, 09-07-05 3:39am

I had another post but it some how disappeared but it's alright because it was only me lashing out in anger and now I am calm and thinking clearly.

I'm going to leave it at this.

Lindsey said that she hates working with me and I make the working environment a living hell for her.
I had just had a plesant conversation with her down at the barn not 20 minutes before and she doesn't mention a thing.

So I reach out:
"What ever happen to confronting someone when you had a problem with them. Why do you think I always think you're mad at me. I have no way of knowing because you don't talk to me anymore.
I have never gone behind your back. And that is what you do. You come on here and you rant and rave about how much you dislike the stuff I do, how much you hate working with me, telling everyone how pissed off you are at me and I don't have a fricken clue about it untill I get on here."

I just wanted her to hear me out. I want to know what is really going on. I don't want to read about it. I want to hear it straight from her. The Lindsey I use to know was very out spoken. What has brought on the change the last few months, I am not sure of.

She oviously didn't like what I had to say.

So she replys with:
"I have decided that I am allergic to bullshit. So if I sneeze when I am around you it may be a number of things but if none of those things are present then you know the reason. I know where my friends are and you have slipped to the way bottom of the list. Your fault not mine. Say what you want but my life is actually better without you. Now I know the main line of my stress. Its you."

After that, I admit I acted it in blind rage, inappropriatly. Some of the stuff I said shouldn't have been said and some of it I'm glade I said. My shoulders feel a lot lighter now.

It's as simple as that.

The things that bugs me about your involvment:
Jacki got herself involved. She posted her comments and I retorted. If she can't handle it than she shouldn't of said anything. It had nothing to do with you so why you are involved in the way that you are, posting and what not, puzzles me.

And what's with the"– potentially for your physical safety –...You have been given sufficient warning." Is that a threat? What are you going to do beat me up? How chivalrous of you. Does it make you feel like a man to sit in your tower and treaten my phyisical well being? That's real mature. And it's not like you haven't pushed me around before.
But Frankly if I were you I wouldn't try it.

Also,"I’ve been hearing a lot of news about you of late, Katie, and none of it has been flattering." What sources are you getting your "news" from. I know it isn't me because you haven't wanted anything to do with me since February. So how do you know that this "news" is real or true.

And one more thing. Is it so wrong for me to ask for my stuff back. I've been iching to watch season 1 of the O.C. I'm glade I finally got it. I'm sorry I'm very materialistic. I like my belongings. I mean I recall you asking for your stuff back. How is this any different.

But whatever, you haven't changed either. You are still the same angree person with the same anger issues.









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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:, 09-07-05 10:50am

yeah. it was a threat. but in all honesty i would never physically assault you. it's just not my style ... once was enough to make me never want to do it again.

i'm still angry, yes. and still a child. but i'm not sitting in any tower. i'm sitting in the classroom of the world... waiting to grow up. i think that makes all the difference.

i don't doubt that jackie can handle whatever involvement she may have roped herself into. in fact, she would probably fare better without my assistance. more than anything, it seemed to me she just wanted to say hi to lindsey BECAUSE they hadn't talked in such a long time, and lindsey appeared to be having some difficulty. i admire that.

but i still felt obligated to air my grievances. perhaps it was a mistake. probably. i do make them quite often.

and it still makes me sad to see you so perpetually unhappy. like i said, i thought my absence would improve things. but it turns out you're just a victim of the circumstances. and nobody can legitimately blame you for that.

sorry, linz, to jack the thread. very bad netiquette. this will be my last, regardless of what sort of tantalizing rebuttal i may receive.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:, 09-07-05 6:50pm

Ok. I’m not going to make this long.

Katie;
If you recall I never said that Lindsey and I were best friends. But there is no denying that we were friends. I don’t know, maybe she has changed her mind since the last time we talked. Its kind of hard to keep updated with everyone.

Maybe I don’t have any place in your argument, but it does not mean I can’t wish Lindsey some luck.
And its not that I’m not fond of you. I don’t know you. I cant form an opinion on you because I know there is more than just the rumors I have heard about you. It’s the same case for everyone else I don’t know.

Of course you know more on this situation then I do. You lived it.

You say I posted my comments (as in more than one). If you will observe, this is the second comment I have posted. So I don’t know what you mean by comments.

I’m quite capable of handling anything you dish out. I am not fazed by anything you have to say to me. Do you know why? Because you are not important to me. If I don’t ever hear from you again it won’t make my life worse or better. That’s just the way it is.

So I am sorry for any inconvenience or extra stress my comments have made.

Have a good life.


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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:, 09-07-05 9:42pm

I over reacted.

I'm just an angree person. I don't know if I always will be but lately that has been my trend.

I would like to say sorry to you, Jacki.
You are a strong smart person and I shouldn't of assumed that you needed Chris to back you up. I'm not sure if I said anything about that but I was thinking it.

I've with held a lot of anger towards you since I found out that you had a crush on Chris in the begining of my Sr. year. I directed a lot of that anger towards you when I posted to you.
Why I haven't let that go yet... well I have a hard time with letting go of anthing but now I think I'm ready.
I don't think what I did was fair.

I'm not the most level headed person. I don't think straight when I'm mad.

To you and Chris,
I only hope you guys the best.
I'm just glade that he is happy.
Happier than he was with me.
I knew he would be.

You are very lucky to have him but it's not like you need me to tell you that.

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